projekt -77 destruction derby

[Gallagher]

Hello, I saw that this forum is not as active as I would like it to be, so I decided to put out my projekt.. a old skool projekt of an 77 - derby.. when I bought it a year ago, it was in a poor condition due to the norwegian winters and all the f****** salt that is sprayed on the roads :eek:
this is how it looked when it arrived.


http://tinypic.com/2czeko

http://tinypic.com/2czg35

http://tinypic.com/2czg45

I also bought a 76 polo at the same time. this was actually in a slightly better condition.


http://tinypic.com/2czgbs

http://tinypic.com/2czgg2

http://tinypic.com/2czgio

http://tinypic.com/2czgr9

the two cars in a lovely duett:

http://i3.tinypic.com/wvsxow.jpg

[Christiaan]

Welcome here! What are your plans with it? And do you also own the blue derby?

[Gallagher]

Welcome here! What are your plans with it? And do you also own the blue derby?

first post is edited :) the derby project is nearing completion, but thare are so many pictures of the process, so I will put in all off the project the last year on this post whitin a couple of days.. stay tuned ;)

[Gallagher]

I soon started to dismalt the car and found out that the rust had had a big party here.. I totally had to weld ut the car, changing a lot of metal parts.

http://i2.tinypic.com/wvtlpc.jpg
http://i3.tinypic.com/wvtlyq.jpg
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A couple of pictures of what happends to the car during this process, massive welding and hard work.

before:

http://i3.tinypic.com/wvtmo9.jpg

after
http://i2.tinypic.com/wvtmpw.jpg

[Gallagher]

I soon found out that I had to change the front plate, so the hunt for a new one began.. I found one on german ebay, and after a lot of work i found a friend who could bring it up to norway, and the welding could start over again.

http://i1.tinypic.com/wvtqae.jpg

http://i3.tinypic.com/wvtp1x.jpg

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The car was now after a few months whitout rust and ready for modifications and some paint.

http://i1.tinypic.com/wvtpp5.jpg

http://i1.tinypic.com/wvtptu.jpg

http://i1.tinypic.com/wvtpv4.jpg

I had mounted at 80/60 lowering kit from triple s on tha car, something that did not harmonize with 15" wheels :)

http://i1.tinypic.com/wvtrp0.jpg

[Gallagher]

also a bit about the two cars i had for parts, a 75 audi 50 and a 77 polo.. The derby i found in an old garage, the aidu in the back of a little forrest, where it had stood for about 20 years.. the most rusty car I have ever seen :)

http://i1.tinypic.com/wvtth0.jpg

luckily, PerL on this forum came and helped me with his quattro coupe.

http://i3.tinypic.com/wvtvmt.jpg

http://i2.tinypic.com/wvtw7n.jpg

http://i2.tinypic.com/wvtwck.jpg

http://i1.tinypic.com/wvtwfn.jpg

stay tuned, much more to come within the next day or so, feel free to leave feedback.. :)

[Stijn]

Wow, impressive work! Great cars, thumbs up for saving another one.

[Matheo]

damn.. you've got some work to do! good thing there are still enthousiasts like you, or all old dubs like this would be rotting in nomansland... keep up the good work! and keep us posted ;)

[Gallagher]

well, the audi 50 is only for parts :) I'm not divine, something you would have to be to get that car up and running ;) the red derby is the only one to hit the streets again.. the project i almost finished now, but it takes so much time to upload the pics to a server, so I post in turns :)

[sjampoo]

Ah.. Welcome, and WOW! going crazy on those rust-bangers!

Did you replace the whole frontpanel, or just the lower part of it? Love the blue color, and the state of the interior..

Looking good!
BTW: did you save the Audi50's chrome parts (side-windows)? if there still the old inox frames there certainly worth the effort of getting the car out of the forrest.

[sjampoo]

BTW: this car needs 4 things:
-wash
-wheels
-front windscreen
-lowering

And its done :)


http://i1.tinypic.com/wvtth0.jpg

[Gallagher]

Ah.. Welcome, and WOW! going crazy on those rust-bangers!

Did you replace the whole frontpanel, or just the lower part of it? Love the blue color, and the state of the interior..

Looking good!
BTW: did you save the Audi50's chrome parts (side-windows)? if there still the old inox frames there certainly worth the effort of getting the car out of the forrest.

yes, I did get those, but my blue polo also had the inox frames.. my derby was platic though. used the audi lists on the derby.. the brown interior ended up in the red derby with leather seats from a usa rabbit.. looks wonderful :)

[Gallagher]

BTW: this car needs 4 things:
-wash
-wheels
-front windscreen
-lowering

And its done :)


http://i1.tinypic.com/wvtth0.jpg

I know :) I did not have the time to do it, so i tried to sell it asking about 250 euros, but nobody wanted it, so I'll use it for parts... ran perfectly and no rust on it also.. after a wash:

http://i3.tinypic.com/wvu90p.jpg

[sjampoo]

what about the 'rain-gutters' ? black alu (old).. oh, no, it's an Audi..
it does have a square roof,. and a 'round' rear-hatch? (glass)?
and centre ventilation openings in the dash? (flat = old).

questions..

I have a weak (very) spot for old-details.. sorry :)

[Gallagher]

what about the 'rain-gutters' ? black alu (old).. oh, no, it's an Audi..
it does have a square roof,. and a 'round' rear-hatch? (glass)?
and centre ventilation openings in the dash? (flat = old).

questions..

I have a weak (very) spot for old-details.. sorry :)

that is alright :) the rain gutters where in alu yes.. i mounted them on my derby, as there where only plastic there.. the rear hatch glass is similar to the polo one i think. But yes, the centre ventilation openings in the dash was flat without the structures that is on the polo and derby. The roof is similar to the polo, guarateed.. I think :)

[Gallagher]

This was in last august: A buddy of mine rang and said that he had found an golf gti rabbit with a leather interior on the scrapyard, so i git down there and bougt it.. I used the seats from the rabbit, and the carpet and doorsiden from the blue polo I have. The blue polo now have the black derby interior. I also build golf mk2 gti 239 brakes in the front. The intrior in the derby ended up quite well I think.

http://i3.tinypic.com/wvv4ma.jpg

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http://i1.tinypic.com/wvv4uu.jpg

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http://i1.tinypic.com/wvv6a9.jpg

[sjampoo]

sweet!

(and yes indeed, the blue polo has a square roof aswell).

[Gallagher]

I welded the back lid, to get it clean and mounted an electric opener from the inside. also removed the hole for the antenna and other small things.

the car was ready for paint after a few weeks:

http://i2.tinypic.com/ww0kuw.jpg

http://i3.tinypic.com/ww0mc9.jpg

[maniacmark]

really a very nice topic
i'll bookmark this one and keep following it

[Gallagher]

really a very nice topic
i'll bookmark this one and keep following it

thanks ;) the car is as said earlier almost ready for show, its just that is is so much work sorting the images and hosting them :) Iam now only missing wheels which i am getting this weekend.. 13x6" offsett 10 with 175-50 13 tyres..

[PerL]

Good to finally see you on here!



luckily, PerL on this forum came and helped me with his quattro coupe.

http://i3.tinypic.com/wvtvmt.jpg

I sure did, the quattro is amazing! :D

I have to tell you guys, I was seriously afraid that I'd pull the 50 in half, it was so rotten that when we jacked the front end of the 50 up (to remove the calipers so the wheels would roll), the front end was actually lifted more than the car itself. The area around the A-pillars and firewall was so rusted that the car got bent under it's own weight :eek: We could also look directly into the glove compartment from the outside...

[Gallagher]

yes, and when we wehere throwing what was left og the car when I had picket the parts I needed, we tried to lift it with a crane and it actually broke into two halves :)

well, lets continue on the telling of a derby story:

the car was driven into the paint shop an we gave it 3 layers of base paint and 3 layers of laquer.. was very pleased with the result.. :D

http://i1.tinypic.com/wwhqh4.jpg

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[maniacmark]

I can only describe it in a few words, but I cant make a choice

Beautifull, amazing, great, miracle............

Keep us posted!!!

[Gallagher]

thanks ;)

[sjampoo]

Smoooth..

You did think of an emergency opening methode, in case the electric opener fails?

PS: -> Click Gallery, choose 'upload picture', select your picture(s), choose the right catagory (that would be polo I guess), and host your images here..

[Berserker]

ey cool project,

I wish I found an audi 50 in the woods!!! :eek:
Mine is allmost completing its restauration, of to the painter within 2 weeks,

:redface: /jealous

[Gallagher]

yes, I have mounted a steel wire to pull in if the opener should fail.. I realized if that should happend without me having the wire, a tin can opener would be my only way out :)

I'll se if I can get the pictures hosted on the gallery..

the telling of a derby story still continiues:
after a few days of mounting, the car looked like this: still a lot of things to do.. the chrome on the front is not put on yet, in there lies a little surprise ;) and much more.. I also have new wheels now :)

http://i3.tinypic.com/x0p4z7.jpg

http://i1.tinypic.com/x0p6d2.jpg

http://i2.tinypic.com/x0p6kl.jpg

http://i3.tinypic.com/x0p6yb.jpg

[VwPolo89]

Great project, nice of you to save an old polo :)

keep up the good work ;)

[Gallagher]

thanks.. new rims are under restauration.. ready to be sandblasted and polished:

http://i1.tinypic.com/x3brrr.jpg

changed to 239mm ventet brakes using golf1 carriers and VWII caliper..

http://i1.tinypic.com/x3bs0p.jpg

http://i2.tinypic.com/x3btbn.jpg

The front is slightly altered ;) the rest of the chromelists will also be put on within the next few days..

http://i3.tinypic.com/x3btl1.jpg

buiyng a set of 175/50 13 tyres this weekend.. cant wait to get som wheels on this car ;)

[PerL]

the rest of the chromelists will also be put on within the next few days..

Also known as chrome trim ;)

Here's another pic of the Audi Derby, sitting proud next to a beautiful unrestored 1975 Golf L 1.1. I shot this pic today.

http://images17.fotki.com/v305/photos/2/26836/1449376/Gumpens3506007Large-vi.jpg

[maniacmark]

yes i made my choice: its beautifull!!!!!!!!

i like the chrome and the new rims: they fit perfect in the picture

[Gallagher]

thanks..the wheels wil be tried on sunday.. really looking forward to that ;)

BTW a really nice mk1 golf there :)

[maniacmark]

ues indeed, that golf unrestored is almost beyond comprehension

[Gallagher]

Yepp, no restauration on that golf.. beautifull one..

ey cool project,

I wish I found an audi 50 in the woods!!! :eek:
Mine is allmost completing its restauration, of to the painter within 2 weeks,

:redface: /jealous

have you got any pics to post here ? would like to see some pics of your polo mk1s to.. and derby/audi 50 of course :)

[Berserker]

have you got any pics to post here ? would like to see some pics of your polo mk1s to.. and derby/audi 50 of course :)

\/ presss my project down here, I don't want to mess up up your project with my pics....

aah well here is the link
audi 50 (http://www.volksforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7329)

[berendd]

nice project, derby's are way cooler than polo's so good job to save the derby!!!

this is my 1980's derby (http://www.volksforum.com/albums/files/1/7/9/0/17.jpg)

[Gallagher]

Thanks a lot.. nice projects the both of you :) bought tyres today, and 4 mikuni motorcykle carburettors... So now I can start building the engine to :) aiming at 100bhp.

pictures to come..

[berendd]

100... nice

mine has to put out 55, but isn's running at the moment.. carbs are on the way but won't spice it up beyond 65 bhp I guess..

[Gallagher]

well, my plans is, kent kam, 4x32mm carburettors, custom exhaust manifold.. highten comp. rate.. and a bit more :)

[RubenD]

Nice ride!

[Gallagher]

This car is supposed to be finished in the start of june, when the main gathering of norwegen vwaudi club is. The only problem is that I do not have the left side ( same side as the steering wheel is on Norwegian left hand drive) chrome trim for the front. I was wondering if anyone had one that I could buy ? I am talking about the small plastic list on the side of the front.. small and easy to post.. has to be in a ok state and at least with 3 remaining taps at the back.. Thanks :)

[Berserker]

There are 2 on ebay.de

always look on german ebay, they are 90% honest people who are willing to send....

[Gallagher]

the problem with garmen ebay is that they often do not take paypal.. hate that :) well, good news is that I found someone who had one.. in the post now on its way :)

[maniacmark]

i'm curious

[Gallagher]

the rims are done, and most of the car complete.. pics will come soon.. just have to get some batteries for my digicam :)

[PerL]

Gallagher was having great fun on the race track this weekend, and I was there to get some pics of him. Here's one of them!

http://images17.fotki.com/v4/photos/2/26836/3630380/Img_0777R-vi.jpg

[Gallagher]

well, the car is done as per said.. Here is a few pics of the car taken by me with his cam... enjoy :) very pleased with the car..

http://i5.tinypic.com/11t0vt1.jpg

http://i6.tinypic.com/11t1i10.jpg

http://i5.tinypic.com/11t1i8g.jpg

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[Berserker]

Racing in scandinavia is what football is in the Netherlands.....

I think I'm living in the wrong country :( ..


looing really nice...

how was the handling? Improved anything? apart from lowering it?

[Gallagher]

just loering with a good kit and wheels.. drove really hard.. as hard as i could anyway.. and drove past a few golf mk1 gtis with double my horsepower :) fun...

[Gallagher]

Ok, I am looking for a polo GT engine to put in this car, so if you know anything, please give me a hint.. preferebly the GK elder gt engine, but I am also interessted in the 3F engine.. need help...

[Berserker]

what is in it right now? standard 1.1/1.3

Here a lot of people put motorcycle carburators (from a honda CBR for instance) on a completely prepared cylinder head using a home made (serge) manifold with a different camshaft,..

i donnow shit about this stuff but i do know that it is more fun and easier than finding a GK...

[Gallagher]

well, I have got 4 mc mikuni carbs to put on it, but it is more effective to start tuning on a gk 75 hp than a 55hp engine :)

[berendd]

true, but the base of the 75hp engine is the same, so find some parts and they will produce the same..

good job on track with it, theyre made for it.

[Gallagher]

well, the base is not really the same.. more similar to the gt mk1 HH 60hp engine ( with higher compression rate of course) but not to my 55hp HB engine..

[Berserker]

HB has 50 bhp right? Indeed what Berend says, its the same basis so find a HH and do some modifications on this..

look on www.polo86c.nl, ok its in dutch but look at the projects..

ps aren't you afraid of ruining the paintjob with the racing....

better use a not so good painted car for that...

[Gallagher]

I am building the blue polo to be my race car now :) cars where build to use by the way :) seems as I am getting a GK engine now..

[PerL]

My friend Gallagher at the track yesterday, what an experience it was to ride in this car.

He would throw it sideways in the tightest corners, and wore out his rear wheel bearings like there was no tomorrow :screwy: :D :D

http://images23.fotki.com/v859/photos/2/26836/141582/Gallagher-vi.gif

[Tjaap]

sweet jesus, it turned out beautifull

[Berserker]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

That's just ubercool, looks like A-Team driving to me.... :woowoo:

[Gallagher]

here is a bit more polo-porn :)

first one of my little brother borrowing my car with me as a nervous bystander :)

http://gallery.raboc.org/albums/2007_VACN_Vaaler/DSC_0189.sized.jpg

After one day of driving fast laps I started to have fun:)

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c90/beb002/DSC00065.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c90/beb002/DSC00091.jpg

Pictures by Bjørn Erik Busch.

[Berserker]

:eek: Dude you converted that thing to RWD?? Looks superb..

Any chance that would work with a polo? or do you think it's because of the trunk?

[berendd]

lot of sideways... but saloons do have a bit more weight at the rear so less understeer..

[PerL]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c90/beb002/DSC00091.jpg


Not as wide as when I rode with you, we must've been dead square on the corner that time! :screwy: :D

[Gallagher]

I have upgraded the front brakes to larger ones, but the rear ones are just the same as the original ones.. this causes me to to able to brake hard comming into a corner and make it overstear.. It also has to be mentioned that I used about 50 laps on that course training to get it right :) and then followed by another 20 laps of overstearing :)

Per: I actually think this is one of the times you rode with me.. but it is not the widest one :)

the probem with understeering is still there, indeed, but with a little bit of training, you learn how to cope with it.. Yes there is a bit more torque at the end of the derby because of the trunk, but I still believe I can do the same when I get on track with my polo mk1 next year..

[Berserker]

Ah something to try with the audi as well :D